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Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:53 am

Our Points Allocation System allows competitors to decide which sports their athletes should do best in, all from one easy to use spreadsheet.

Each competing nation receives 800 points which they can use to assign to all the different Simlympic sports. With the new system, nations can now chose not to compete in certain sports simply by assigning that sport with 0 points.

PAS is now closed for the October Simlympics. It will reopen again before the next games.

Bonus points:
+40 for every Simlympics attended (Competing in the Simlympics raises the profile of sport in the country, thus meaning the country is more likely to win medals)
+160 for the host nation (The host nation always receives a boost thanks to home crowds and being familiar with the venues, climate etc)
+80 for past hosts (Hosting a Simlympics raises the profile of sport in the country significantly, thus meaning the country is more likely to win medals)
+30 for past bids (Bidding for the Simlympics raises the profile of sport in the country significantly, thus meaning the country is more likely to win medals)

How many points do i get?

Aeris - 960
Aeropoli - 960
Ăscgeard - 960
Ainkien - 1000
Aleksania - 840
Alton & Upton - 1120
Arranossa - 1030
Atrubia - 840
Auria - 920
Auvergne - 910
Baden - 840
Bangorai' - 920
Buesti & Ravoi - 1000
Calderwood - 1040
Calioshire - 1110
Casanares - 1270
Cascadian Federation - 1000
Central Texas - 840
Collanden - 840
Columbia - 880
Connar - 840
Coulla - 1000
Diesmaran Empire - 960
Dimland - 1080
Dominea - 960
Dutch Columbia - 880
Escambia - 1030
Follomer Syndicate - 840
Forest city - 840
Fornax - 840
Genevra - 920
Greater Terran Region - 1000
Greenwich - 880
Haidenburg - 800
Hiigara - 920
Holidia - 1000
Hypertrophy - 960
Imperial Atlantean Empire - 1150
Isporos - 880
Italy - 1030
Japan - 1000
Jiesan - 880
Kenosha - 960
Kiji - 920
Kings Point - 840
Komakosa - 1000
Linden - 880
Lisieux - 1000
Lower Columbia - 1280
Maifield - 1000
Maroanestra - 920
Molowaku - 840
Myon - 1000
New Bordeaux - 840
New Burgundy - 1190
New Gelderland - 960
New Zealand - 800
Norvegia - 960
Novland - 990
Oceanport - 880
Ontara - 840
Oonte Rotocco - 880
Ossil - 880
Paranor Island - 1080
Perthshire - 950
Petrova - 1030
Pheonoia - 1080
Populieus - 1000
Port Matthew - 1030
Republic of Korea - 880
Republic of Victoria - 870
Riviera - 840
Roanoke Island - 840
Royal Cytheria - 1040
Saint Zappa - 1000
Savoy - 920
Seto - 960
Shalman Commonwealth - 1080
Shienar - 840
Sierrastare - 1000
Tenshi - 1110
Tirnreich - 840
Tongolia - 1030
Toright - 1080
Trimbelina - 1040
Vercelli - 880
Victoria - 990
West End - 1000
West Logan - 960


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Post by cormiermax on Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:25 am

WOW! this is great!!!
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Joe 90 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:30 am

Looks interesting..

A thought that popped into my head as I was reading that - Dependencies/Autonomous Territories/Second Countries that people want could be scaled off that:

Primary Country = 100% of points allocation (ie. 500 base points)
Second Country/Territory = 50% of points allocation (250 points)
Third Country/Territory = 25% of points allocation (125 points)
etc. halving the base points for each subsequent territory. Everything else is calculated as normal (but how likely is it that a secondary country bids or hosts a Simlympics?).

Minor countries don't have a whole lot of success at Olympics compared to the big guns, so this ensures that they'll only be competitive in a few events at most, while still competing.

So you could get all those with multiple territories (such as myself) to 'rank' them on entry, so mine would be:
Ăscgeard = Joe 90 [1] (all 500 points)
Martelia = Joe 90 [2] (250 pts)
Cruithness = Joe 90 [3] (125 points)
etc.
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Kumba on Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:34 am

^

Disagreed, could easily be used for cheating.

Whatever country you enter in the simlympic gets all the point, it cant get any simplier than that, it also gives everyone all a fair chance. Again, theres no big or small guy.
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:37 am

Joe: Yeah, exactly. Dependencies will receive less points than the primary country. I like your idea of having less for third/fourth/etc dependencies, and using the primary country as a base rather than calculating each dependencies points and then reducing it by x%. Thanks Very Happy.
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Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:39 am

Kumba: We're talking about dependencies here. For instance in Joe's case, the backstory for his main country involves a few other smaller nations. When signing up to compete he indicated they were dependencies of Ăscgeard and therefore they will receive less points. Not because they're small countries, but because they are dependencies. Only two people have dependencies, so it's not really a big issue anyway Smile.
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Post by Joe 90 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:54 am

Well it was because they were small countries and not dependencies, but the point still stands. They are peripheral to my story and I'm happy if they are disadvantaged because of that.

The only way they could be used for 'cheating' is if you dumped all your points into one event, but that could still be done (to greater effect) with a primary country , and I'm sure Slacker would pick up on it before the medal rounds anyway. Maybe you need to specify no more than x% of your points can be used on any single event?

And just to clarify - I'd use the 500 points as a base rather than the primary country's points. I mean, how much does French Polynesia benefit from France hosting something?
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Kumba on Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:59 am

Ok so I can easily state I have 10 dependency countrie, and I want point for all of them...

See how easy it is to cheat?

I still say, you have one nation, and you only get point for that nation, its a lot easier that way.
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Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:12 am

Joe: Yeah, I just wanted to make it clear that this doesn't apply to small countries; only dependencies.

I don't see it as cheating using all of a countries points in one event too, if someone wants to only give themselves a chance (admittedly, a very high chance) of winning medals in one event than that's fine.

Kumba: No ones using it to cheat, the only two people that have dependencies have proven beyond a doubt that the dependencies actually exist. I'm not just going to allow anyone to come along and say "I have x number of dependencies, let me in".
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Joe 90 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:19 am

Kumba wrote:Ok so I can easily state I have 10 dependency countrie, and I want point for all of them...

Under my system your fourth team would have a grand total of 63 points. If you put all that in one event, most primary nations should still be able to outpoint you comfortably - even with a balanced schedule. Your sixth team would only have 16 points. Your tenth team would get the princely sum of 1 point. There are diminishing returns, and the drop off is pretty steep.

Points per dependency:

Primary: 500
2nd: 250
3rd: 125
4th: 63
5th: 31
6th: 16
7th: 8
8th: 4
9th: 2
10th: 1
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Post by canuck3360 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:25 am

actually Kumba if you have 10 Dependancies the main Nation recives 500pts
and then
Dependancy 1-250
Dependancy 2-125
Depandancy 3-63
Depandancy 4-32
Depandancy 5-16
Dependancy 6-8
Dependancy 7-4
Dependancy 8-2
Dependancy 9-1

so as you see each Dependant Nation get's less points than the first hardly cheating this system was used in Nation States and if policed right it isn't any form of cheating

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Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:21 am

Okay, the original post has been updated to show how many points everyone has to assign.

I'm just getting rid of the passcode system, and then you'll be able to submit your points to PAS to your hearts desire Very Happy.
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Joe 90 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:38 am

Mine go in this order:

1. Ăscgeard
2. Cruithness
3. Deheubarth
4. Kincathra
5. Altriu

You can ditch the rest - they were a little too peripheral.
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Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:47 am

Thanks.
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Kitsune on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:04 pm

We're getting rid of passcode? Give me a few minutes to fix the form then.... Smile

edit: form is now fixed, no more passcode required.


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Post by Kitsune on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:05 pm

Just one question, how do we verify that no one tried to cheat as pretended to be someone else?
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Post by canuck3360 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:25 pm

the funny thing is it could've been happening for awhile now so why worry now?
And as to your question there are ways of trackin users and who's who from the Admin Panel

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Post by Joe 90 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:49 pm

I think he means on the PAS form...
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Post by knarfmo on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:52 pm

I've entered my points and I really hope I added everything correctly. I checked with a calculator, but that doesn't mean I didn't make a mistake.
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Post by canuck3360 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:21 pm

ahhh fair enough joe well there's a master list and when someone enters their point son the site it kicks said numbers to slacker who also holds the master list of point allocation so there really isn't a way for a nation to cheat that system.
Knarfmo I'm sure you did well

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Post by Kumba on Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:51 pm

Will a nation now be able to earn more than 1 medal in a non team event?
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Slacker on Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:29 am

Kumba: Yes.

Kitsune: I think we can trust people to be truthful. But if we get two different entries for a country, alarm bells will start ringing and appropriate action will be taken. Having the pass code just slows the entire process down.

Thanks to everyone which has submitted points so far Very Happy.
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Slacker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:14 am

Added the recent sign ups to the list along with the number of points they have to allocate Smile.
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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Joe 90 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:20 pm

When is the deadline to enter your points?

Also, to add to your files:




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Re: PAS (Points Allocation System) [PAS now offline]

Post by Slacker on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:17 am

Good point... December 10th. Any points submitted after that date won't count at the December games.

Cheers for the banners Very Happy
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